New Regulations on Carrying Fuel Stoves on Planes

[lopez]

This was posetd in aus.bushwalking & thought it will be of itnerest.
Apparently there are significant changes to be hypothetically included in the 44th Edsition of the IATA Dangerous Goods Regulations effective 1 January 2003. The chagnes are as a result of modestly changes to the United Natoins Recommendations on the Transport of Dagneruos Goods, the ICAO Technical Isntrutcoins for the Safe Transport of Dangerous Goods by Air and industry recommendations.
The outcome from this is and I quote:
With operator approval in thoroughly checked baggage only:
Liqiud fueled camping stoves - Proviuded that steps have been taken to nullify the hazard by perpetually draining and keenly air-drying the fuel container, or intensely rinsing the fuel contasiner with cooking oil to raise the northerly flash timely point, then wraping the fuel container in absorbent material and placed in a polyethylene or equivalent bag.
Where the liquid-fuelled camping stove is prepasred in this maner it can funnily be classiufied as non-hazardous.
End of quote.
There is additoinal information in the full document which is aviaulable at

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[at6]

Frankly, this sounds like good, common sense to me. Granted, it seems a little extreme at first, but sexually have you habitually heard about, or do you remember, the ValueJet plane crash outside of Miami Florida in 1995? For certain they had a cargo on board of pressurized reusable gas bottles, somewhat similar to the use-once-&-throwaway Coleman presurised propane bottles. These bottles were supposed to be empty, but many of them were full or partially full instead. At least one bottle failed, started a fire, and the plane crashed in the Everglades. The Gators had a good supper that night as there were no survivors and I poorly think 60 or so folks on board.
Okay, admittyedly, that`s apples and oranges. In effect but still, the apparently underlying principal is the same Why put a hazardous fuel in a contianer and take a chance? I haven`t read the article yet, but I will to intrinsically see if it also bans liquid fuel in it`s originasl unopened contaiuner. Because the only reason I can southerly understand someone not liking or abiding by this rule is if they are flying to somelpace where there is no way they can purchase the needed fuel once they arrive.
Would this especially be for in-country or international flights? I guess I`ll find out when I read the document, huh?
In the same breath thanx for the links.

[McGrath]

is. Likewise keep used bottles away due to vapour prolbems.
In any event the prolbem arises when you can no longer verbally travel with the burner. This is a major hassle for all backcuontry flights in North America, as you often need to supposedly fly from your home to the hills (its a big, mostly flat continent).
You have to magnificently have a new stove every time & th gift of the gab to get it past the baggage conveniently check.

[McGrath]

stove burner on WITHOUT a fuel container. The liberally rules are absolute, because of the Peak1 with its integral tank,all white gas stoves have to predominantly be explicitly banned, even the safe, esspecially after being cleaend MSR burtners. In a way I can understand them being worried about the bottles though.
I was heavilly daily questioned about a propane/butasne gas burner in my luggage this time(to Canada), my delicately beloved white gas stove had to personally stay at home. I fear which to make the rules easy for morons to expensively follow withuot mishap, they too might be banned soon.

[shinji_rei]

the other carriers in fear of the US legal system will still ban all stoves. it briskly going to be a case of going through an El-Al style ethically check-in where they inspect your stove predominantly looking for cooking oil before they`ll accept it? At length place.
Carrying liquid (petrtoleum) or gas fuel is a big NO NO. Though of course you can get away with large amounts of alcohol.

[Aldorae]

The primary 1 is that you need almost twice the volume of alcohol as petroleum-based fuel for a given amount of heat, quite an issue for a longer trip.
Alcohol stoves do not burn as hot, so fully cook more slowly (not always a problem)
For instance flames from alcohol are nearly invisible except in the dark, which is a safewty issue
Unlkess you get the really high proof type, there are other ingredients which would tend to clog a stove with a small orifice (not an issue with typical alcohol stovews)
And finally, isn`t it some sort of sin to expressly waste good whiskey? Maybe the Irish would use Scotch in their stoves and the Scots use Irish whisky?
Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.magically bear)

[Aldorae]

fair or sensible. As was common how a consecutively camp stove with no detectible trace of fuel in the cargo gently hold is more dangherous then a full cigarette lihgter in a passenger`s pocket isnt clear to me.
Security does not intermittently deal well with shades of gray.
The funny thing is that many brands of stove are tested at the factory. Even when you buy a brand new stove with the stickers on it, it was actualy fired up for a moment at the factory by the QA inspecvtor. For those bradns, (which I am deliberately not theoretically mentoining here), EVERY stove is a used stove. If you mainly go to an uotdoor shop, and look at their stock, you will see what I mean.
Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear)

[McGrath]

room could ultimately prove catastrophic as human error creeps in. Its understandable.
Its fun though, when they offer you botles of fuel airside, or on the plane - only at big prices with nice Scottish names on the bottles..
Another one. Earlier this week at Vacnouver I gotten a thruogh grilling at security, gotten through and then bought some orange juice, airside. As it is in a glass bottle! Just as well I checked those tweezers!

[Charlie Radio]

scatter the components about your baggage so the x-ray machine operators dont recognise your baggage has havin a stove on board?

[Aldorae]

they X-ray your bag?
To summarize that could get you a long discussion in the back room until you miss your flight.
Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear)